TSR The Full & Glorious History of NuTSR

WarDriveWorley said:

Well I mean it's kind of bad to opt to not buy something because the creator has no track record of producing anything. New creators are a thing.

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Agreed.

But its not ''not buying from new creators'', its not using your name as if you were a big celebrity-creator when you've yet to produce something.

Tales and Chronicles said:

Agreed.

But its not ''not buying from new creators'', its not using your name as if you were a big celebrity-creator when you've yet to produce something.

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ahh fair enough. thanks for the clarification

Tales and Chronicles said:

Agreed.

But its not ''not buying from new creators'', its not using your name as if you were a big celebrity-creator when you've yet to produce something.

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Like for example "Cat Daddy approved" by Jackson Galaxy. My wife has probably better and longer experience than Jackson, but he's better known so his stamp means more. Also as a side note, we've had thix exact cat tree for probably close to 17ish years and have only had to replace one post because of a moving incident, we HIGHLY recommend it if you have the space.

I wonder what the Canadian business called Wizard's Tower (a gaming shop in Ottawa that has been opened for at least 20 years) is thinking about all that flack LaNasa is throwing...

I'm 99.99% sure they will not do anything, but it would be... entertaining... if they launched legal actions too.

jdrakeh said:

Well, if there was any lingering doubt that Ernie wholeheartedly endorses nuTSR's homophobia, racism, and transphobia, this absolutely erases it. He's even got an official little seal. Good lord.

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it's almost 40 min long - is there a part that is particularly relevant?

Willie the Duck said:

(whatever the not-real-men are in the minds of the toxic masculinity set these days -- something about eating soy and liking to be cuckolded or whatever bizarre thing it is this week).

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Well, the term "cuckold" has been used to disparage men in English since at least the mid-13th century. What is considered manly has changed in its details across time and culture, but men disparaging other men for their alleged failures in some of those details has been consistent.

Willie the Duck said:

The primary distinction I would draw is that, for my great grandfather, he would not have believed that he got to decide if he was manly or not, and that his conception of manliness lay in willingness to do what he might not want to do (certainly risk, sacrifice, discomfort, and the like). The LaNasa crowd seems to want to point to arbitrary metrics, and say 'this shows I am manlier than others,' and use it as validation for doing what they wanted to do in the first place.

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Sure. Same things with "hero" or "devout". But I don't think this is new. There have always been narcissists who attempt to drape themselves in appellations that should only mean something when applied by others. Sounds like your grandfather was a decent man and a good role model. But I don't believe all or even most men of his day were like that. Actually, I believe that men today are more open to men who break stereotypes and more willing to risk breaking those stereotypes themselves. But social media gives a bull horn to loud mouths.

Willie the Duck said:

'I'm more a man if I have and or spend my money on these types of things.' I wonder if those are part of the same mechanic, just meant to fleece money from people instead of sway them to a particular socio-political mindset/group.

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Sure, but that has been true as long as the average person had the ability to buy discretionary items.





It is nice to see that in the 19th century, being a man full of vitality was depicted as a guy with a beer gut. I was born in the wrong era! ;-)

MNblockhead said:

Well, the term "cuckold" has been used to disparage men in English since at least the mid-13th century. What is considered manly has changed in its details across time and culture, but men disparaging other men for their alleged failures in some of those details has been consistent.

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Yes, I said "whatever bizarre thing it is this week" in reference to them being the current insults de jour (or were very recently and I'm not up on the latest awful-o-sphere vernacular) being 'cuck' and 'soyboy' and the like, when 20-30 years ago it was 'sissy,' 'pansy.' and 'wuss.'

MNblockhead said:

Sure. Same things with "hero" or "devout". But I don't think this is new. There have always been narcissists who attempt to drape themselves in appellations that should only mean something when applied by others. Sounds like your grandfather was a decent man and a good role model. But I don't believe all or even most men of his day were like that. Actually, I believe that men today are more open to men who break stereotypes and more willing to risk breaking those stereotypes themselves. But social media gives a bull horn to loud mouths.

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I'm not sure where people have gotten the idea that I think any of this is new. I don't see where I said that. I said my great grandfather (and grandfather), who happened to be of an earlier era, would by utterly unimpressed with these guys. Stating the latter does not imply I think the former. This is the third or fourth time this thread that I am mystified by the responses I have gotten (and how they correlate to what I've said).

Regarding men of yesteryear and men of today, there definitely are now more alternative formations of 'manliness' (including ungendered conceptions, where I think the term 'adulting' relates). Media in general (including social media) has given people ways of propagating new conceptions of best ways to live. It allows people to realize there are alternative options, as well as finding groups of like-minded. Sadly, I think that diversity in the concept feeds some insecurity in those loudmouths, who then as you say use the same media as a bullhorn to pick fights over it, and they too find groups that provide validation for their anger and bigotry.

MNblockhead said:

Sure, but that has been true as long as the average person had the ability to buy discretionary items.

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Again, I didn't say any of this was new (although online manly-item-crates is the modern variety). I wondered aloud if their marketing of 'buy this and you'll be manly' was a (commercial instead of sociopolitical) parallel to the mechanism of the above online loudmouths with bullhorns selling their group-identity as resisters of the perceived unmanliness as an avenue to manliness.

MNblockhead said:

It is nice to see that in the 19th century, being a man full of vitality was depicted as a guy with a beer gut. I was born in the wrong era! ;-)

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Society in general certainly has vacillated on weight and status many times. Being thin could mean unable to feed oneself, or many different diseases we rarely see now. Thickness also could mean you weren't a laborer, and thus must be a person of leisure or a rich industrialist who could hire people to labor for them. It's certainly changed for white collar western world types like me, where the lower calorie food is the expensive ones and time and energy to exercise are a luxury.

jdrakeh said:

Sadly, no, this is not the little seal that Ernie has. He has a little "Ernie Gygax seal of approval" that nuTSR is now using on their products.

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Ernie Gygax, Junior seal of approval. Even before this whole thing, would that honestly have meant much to anyone?

Ancalagon said:

it's almost 40 min long - is there a part that is particularly relevant?

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If you've kept up with everything that's been going on, then probably not. It's mostly pointing out all the horrible things that NuTSR done, but that's OK, because Ernie approves. The only thing new to me was that there was going to be a card in that Dungeon Crawl game that would have had a really nasty slur (involving the c-word--in a game marketed to people age 10 and up) against Darlene (because she said no to LaNasa) and Ernie nixed it, which seems to be the only positive action he has taken this entire time (but he still "approved" the game as a whole). Also, Tom was somewhat apologetic for going so easy on Ernie when he interviewed him.

MNblockhead said:

It is nice to see that in the 19th century, being a man full of vitality was depicted as a guy with a beer gut. I was born in the wrong era! ;-)

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Don't forget the glorious mustache!