2 weapon fighting

[Caeleddin]

Which does NOT stack with TWD.

Which is why I think TWF is a con.

Everyone keeps moaning about how uber powerful it is and all that. That is BULL. You need 3 feats to be sub-par to THWF. Against a SNB, you need 3 feats to be sub-par again in terms of AC.

For that many feats, TWF SHOULD be more powerful than TWHF, not equal, and definitely NOT sub-par.

 

[Jdvn1]

Who says TWF is uber powerful? I've never heard that. I like it for flavor reasons.

 

[Tatsukun]

I seem to remember a FAQ saying TWF with a great sword and armor spikes was fine. That means you don't get the AC from teh shield, but you do get a lot more damage from the primary weapon (over the long sword).

I did this with a fighter NPC once and it really just came down to the fact that even with the feats, he would never attack with both weapons. The extra attack at 1D6+(1/2 STR) just wasn't worth taking the minus to both attacks.

Good flavor (if a bit munchkiny) but IMO a bit weak on mechanics.

-Tatsu

 

[Caeleddin]

Almost everyone in my group think that TWF is for munchkins because it is so powerful. I beg to differ, but you know what they are like.

 

[PrinceZane]

I've always been a TWF fan. I kind of like the risk of 'yeah you can hit me easier, but i can do that much more to you' concept. It's like Russian Roulette... kinda. Take alot.. give alot.. see who goes down first

 

[glass]

Good flavor (if a bit munchkiny) but IMO a bit weak on mechanics.

How can it be munchkiny and mechanically weak?

I think the perception of TWF being for munckins come from 2e day when it really was fairly uber, and every fighter dual-wielded bastard swords.


glass.

 

[Caeleddin]

PrinceZane - Actually, you do far MORE damage more OFTEN if you just go THWF with a GS and save all those feats for nice things like PA. For the same AC.


Glass - Precisely the kind of mentality I am up against. "It's for munchkins!!!!" "Actually, it is weaker. Here is the maths." "Oh.... It IS weaker. But it's still for munchkins!" *gives up*

I wish people would actually THINK for themselves before passing judgement. I know we all like Albert Einstein to be right, but does he have to be right ALL the time?

 

[Inconsequenti-AL]

I'm a fan of a weapon + spiked small shield 2 weapon combination. It works pretty well and it looks cool? Just take Improved Shield Bash feat.

If it's just 'raw power', 2 handed weapon, armour spikes and an animated shield is definitely the way to go. I feel dirty just thinking about it.

Extra damage dice are your friends for 2 weapon fighting. I'd think your frost and shock combination is great, although lawful/axiomatic and/or holy might be better later on?

As a ranger, your favoured enemy bonus to damage will be very useful for this character, probably worth taking some considerable time to choose those?

 

[Kobold Stew]

How can it be munchkiny and mechanically weak?

I think the perception of TWF being for munckins come from 2e day when it really was fairly uber, and every fighter dual-wielded bastard swords.


glass.

The overpowering strength of TWF, in my experience, is when you can factor in a few sneak attack dice. A rogue TW fighter (finessing shortswords, e.g.) outpowers a ranger any day.

Kobold Stew.

 

[Jdvn1]

The overpowering strength of TWF, in my experience, is when you can factor in a few sneak attack dice. A rogue TW fighter (finessing shortswords, e.g.) outpowers a ranger any day.

Kobold Stew.

Not if he's an archer ranger shooting from a distance...