Jessica Jones [spoilers allowed]

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
It just hit Netflix yesterday. Full series, ready for binge-watching. Don't worry about hiding spoilers. Whatcha think?
 

Crothian

Visitor
I'm through episode seven. I really like that it shows her being a detective. Even with her special abilities her main power is being a PI. Kilgrave is the scariest villain Marvel has but on big or small screen. The show is doing a great job of showing on people he uses become broken.
 

Ryujin

Adventurer
About halfway through the episodes and really liking it. It's concentrating on people more than powers, which was a good choice for a series. Movies don't have the same time for character development.
 

Tonguez

Adventurer
I'm liking it and will happily claim it is probably the best TV show on any network at the moment.

I like that the superhero bit is understated and it is very much a character study exploring the lives of an ensemble of broken people coping in the dark underbelly of NYC. AT times it is a bit slow paced and the action a tad lame. although I think that is appropriate in the circumstance and does well to differentiate JJ from the more sanguine DD. The psychological tension is palpable and Tenant makes an awesome villain.

Its not recognisably comicbook and if it wasnt for the regular nods, one wouldnt even know it was connected to the Marvelverse. However we do get lots of Avengers references and a Jewel costume and call out in episode 5.
As PurpleDragon points out, super-enhanced banging is a thing, its raw but not crass and the only 'nudity' so far has been a male buttcrack. I'm not sure why the Jerri affair is there though, but its good to see a major gay character (yeah sure I like hot lesbians, but I am hoping theres more to it than either titilation or a girl-power statement :p). Of course the show also deals with obsession and rape but thats been lowkey too and I'm interested to see how well it is handled.

The formation of Jessicas team is a refereshing take when compared to Arrow and The Flash - the police guy is a bit too Punisher-like to me though but I like that Luke Cage has a major role and that Patsy Walker is already acquiring the combat skills she needs to make the superhero role call too

Anyway going to sleep now will watch more when I awaken
 
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Ryujin

Adventurer
I'm liking it and will happily claim it is probably the best TV show on any network at the moment.

I like that the superhero bit is understated and it is very much a character study exploring the lives of an assemble of broken people coping in the dark underbelly of NYC. AT times it is a bit slow paced and the action a tad lame. although I think that is appropriate in the circumstance and does well to differentiate JJ from the more sanguine DD. The psychological tension is palpable and Tenant makes an awesome villain.

Its not recognisably comicbook and if it wasnt for the regular nods, one wouldnt even know it was connected to the Marvelverse. However we do get lots of Avengers references and a Jewel costume and call out in episode 5.
As PurpleDragon points out, super-enhanced banging is a thing, its raw but not crass and the only 'nudity' so far has been a male buttcrack. I'm not sure why the Jerri affair is there though, but its good to see a major gay character (yeah sure I like hot lesbians, but I am hoping theres more to it than either titilation or a girl-power statement :p). Of course the show also deals with obsession and rape but thats been lowkey too and I'm interested to see how well it is handled.

The formation of Jessicas team is a refereshing take when compared to Arrow and The Flash - the police guy is a bit too Punisher-like to me though but I like that Luke Cage has a major role and that Patsy Walker is already acquiring the combat skills she needs to make the superhero role call too

Anyway going to sleep now will watch more when I awaken
The whole thing is pretty much a metaphor for dealing with the mental and physical repercussions of rape.
 

Mustrum_Ridcully

Adventurer
The most important similarity to Daredevil was basically that it was tight story-telling, with a lot of focus on the characters. It does stuff a big screen movie couldn't do.
I love it and I am looking forward to any continuations or other Netflix series of this type.
Particularly about Jessica Jones is that I really like the "Noir" type of story-telling.

An interesting aspect is that both shows are more grounded in reality than Avengers or Agents of SHIELD. Our heroes get really beaten up (well, the ones that can be beaten up) and have to deal with it for a while, and the action is not as over-the-top. In a way of course, I guess this also makes these shows rather cheap to make - you don't have to bring the full CGI and SFX palette. But that's great since more time is spend on story and characterization.

It's not just a metaphor for rape - it's also explicitly rape.
But I guess Killgrave nails down the aspect of absolute helpless even further, because he can make anyone do anything, and no one can resist or fight him. And the show really communicates that feeling.
 

Kramodlog

Naked and living in a barrel
I saw the first episode with the girlfriend. She isn't a fan of superhero stuff and rape rarely is her favorite subject, but she wants to see more of the series. The characters and the plot have gotten her interests.
 

Kramodlog

Naked and living in a barrel
I won't be watching- I don't have Netflix- so I have no idea what Killgrave's power is. Enlighten please?
He can make people do what he wants. How he does it in the show hasn't been explained after one episode. In the comics he is a mutant that has mind controlling body odor if I remember correctly.
 

Tonguez

Adventurer
I won't be watching- I don't have Netflix- so I have no idea what Killgrave's power is. Enlighten please?
He's a narcissitic pyschopath with the power of casual Mind control, to the point that he doesn't actually know if he is getting what he wants because people are controlled or because they simply want to gve it.- it's explained by his victims that "he makes you want to do whatever he tells you to do even if at the back of your mind you know you don't want to"

in the comics its chemical (pheromone) based, in the show its a virus and in episode 8/9 iirc they show how he acquired his viral ability (and also why he's so f'd up)
 
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Mustrum_Ridcully

Adventurer
He's a narcissitic pyschopath with the power of casual Mind control, to the point that he doesn't actually know if he is getting what he wants because people are controlled or because they simply want to gve it.- it's explained by his victims that "he makes you want to do whatever he tells you to do even if at the back of your mind you know you don't want to"

in the comics its chemical (pheromone) based, in the show its a virus and in episode 8/9 iirc they show how he acquired his viral ability (and also why he's so f'd up)
To be honest... I think his past doesn't really explain his behaviour again. It's not like he's the first "super" or "gifted" from painful experimentation done to him. Some turn supervillain, some superhero, some in between. Some want to help others because they feel empathy with the suffering, others want to lash out.
But he's not even lashnig out or on a vengeance spree or something.

I think it's more the nature of his power that makes it so easy to use it for bad. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
 

Tonguez

Adventurer
To be honest... I think his past doesn't really explain his behaviour again. It's not like he's the first "super" or "gifted" from painful experimentation done to him. Some turn supervillain, some superhero, some in between. Some want to help others because they feel empathy with the suffering, others want to lash out.
But he's not even lashnig out or on a vengeance spree or something.

I think it's more the nature of his power that makes it so easy to use it for bad. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
yeah I guess you're right there, I suppose his past is just another crutch he uses.
For me the thing that made Killgrave so fascinating was that he was so pointless and pathetic. His whole obsession with Jessica was that of a spoilt self entitled child, purposeless - pure narcissism

Which I suppose really makes Killgrave the perfect villain for the post-millenial age (hyperbole) :erm:
 
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Ryujin

Adventurer
To be honest... I think his past doesn't really explain his behaviour again. It's not like he's the first "super" or "gifted" from painful experimentation done to him. Some turn supervillain, some superhero, some in between. Some want to help others because they feel empathy with the suffering, others want to lash out.
But he's not even lashnig out or on a vengeance spree or something.

I think it's more the nature of his power that makes it so easy to use it for bad. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
He even mentally edits hos past to justify his actions. Instead of "using experimental retroviral therapy to save his life", his parents "performed evil experiments on their own child."
 
I won't be watching- I don't have Netflix- so I have no idea what Killgrave's power is. Enlighten please?
Kilgrave: Sense Motive +17, Bluff +23, Diplomacy +23, Coax Information Rogue Talent, and "Do what I say (Ex)"

Do What I Say (Ex): At will, as a swift action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity, Kilgrave can instruct anyone within 60 feet to do what he says. Line of sight is not required, and the effect can work around corners up to the total distance of 60 feet, similar to how the message spell can work around barriers (therefore Kilgrave can use this ability on an invisible target within that range, and can use it on a target behind a stone wall if the wall has air openings that create an uninterrupted path to the target). This effect works like the following spells: suggestion, mass suggestion or dominate person (caster level 12). The effect can last a maximum of 12 hours with no save allowed, and the target is not immune to the command even if it would be harmful to the target. This is a sonic, disease effect (targets that are deaf or immune to diseases are immune to this effect). This effect can be suppressed by a silence spell and remove disease (DC 23 for the purposes of remove disease only). If a target under this effect is administered an antiplague, the target can attempt a Fort save (without the +5 bonus from antiplague) against a DC of 23. Similarly, if a target affected by this ability already ingested an antiplague within the last hour, it can attempt a Fort save (without the +5 bonus from antiplague) against a DC of 23.
 

Tonguez

Adventurer
Indeed. Regular people can break beds too, or so I've heard... heheheh
yes, yes we can

anyway does anyone want to comment on

1 Gifted Origins - Marvelverse has justed added Retrovirus to its Superpower Origins along with Super-Soldier serums, Aliens/Gods, Technology and Inhumans

2 What is IGH? are they trying to replicate the Supersoldier Programme? Is it the Marvelverse name for the Weapon X programme?
(note the show makes reference to the Big Green Guy and the Flag waiver, so was that not only an easter egg but a veiled hint to Supersoldiers)

3 Was there a point to Jeri Hogarth being a lesbian? in the comics Jeryn Hogarth is male, and while theres nothing wrong with the gender swap and even her being a lesbian, having the whole lesbian affair with the sexy young secretary just seemed to me to be a bit contrived and then by the end of the run largely irrelevant.
She's a partner in a corporate law firm we always knew she was going to be a Mega-bitch without the side line distraction.

4, Who were the other kids on Reva's drive? Will Luke be going after them?
 
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Kramodlog

Naked and living in a barrel
After 5 episodes, I'm wondering if this show will be able have a good second season. The show is good because it focuses on JJ's trauma and her relationship to Kilgrave. Take that away and I'm not sure what we have. Would it be more up beat? As engaging if the BBEG of the second season isn't as personal for her?
 

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