D&D General The Crab Bucket Fallacy

[Oofta]

Online may as well be the moon for me. Very little interest in online gaming.
. It's a social thing woukd probably pick no D&D vs online. Online more for pvp for me.

Any other rpg is kinda like having a red super car. And no Petrol. Here you get to play sonething else occasionally often a one shot sustained campaign good luck may as well be faeries.

RPGs still fairly niche essentially mono genre. Other ones technically exist.

I empathize. I really do. I couldn't give a furry rat's ass about professional sports of any kind. It's locked me out of a ton of social activities over the years as others (especially guys) look at me like I've suddenly grown a third eye. All that means that it isn't the game for you. Just like I won't be joining in on conversations about "the game" that was on last night. Wish there was a better option, but the fact that the popular option doesn't work for you doesn't say anything one way or another about the quality of the product.

 

[Neonchameleon]

Oh I answer the surveys. I have work mandated training videos lined up to play on the background to fill out my survey and ONCE AGAIN state that D&D is focusing too hard on brand new 5e players at the expense of long time 5e players.

Everyday my chances of buying the new core books drops. And my nostalgia goggles need new prescriptions because I am not excited by their retreads of old settings.

Maybe I'm unique. Or maybe I'm ahead of the curve.

The problem is that repackages to old players are hard at the best of times. I still have my 3.5 and 4e Eberron books. Why would I buy the 5e ones? And I speak as someone with a lot of spending money and a lot of 5e books and other RPG books.

 

[Minigiant]

This is an absurd standard.

Why?

Does 5e hand out skills like candy?

Are the skills not evenly matched with ability scores?

Was ANYTHING done to mitigate that?

 

[Minigiant]

The problem is that repackages to old players are hard at the best of times. I still have my 3.5 and 4e Eberron books. Why would I buy the 5e ones? And I speak as someone with a lot of spending money and a lot of 5e books and other RPG books.

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That's my point.
WHERE ARE THE NEW CLASSES AND SETTINGS?

 

[Micah Sweet]

Blink
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That's my point.
WHERE ARE THE NEW CLASSES AND SETTINGS?

In 3pp.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Why?

Does 5e hand out skills like candy?

Are the skills not evenly matched with ability scores?

Was ANYTHING done to mitigate that?

They can't, because they're obsessed with not calling this a new edition, and doing any of that would make it impossible.

 

[Neonchameleon]

Why?

Does 5e hand out skills like candy?

No? Most people only have 4. But there seems to be at least a little mitigation in OneD&D by giving fighters the ability to use second wind for skills.

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That's my point.
WHERE ARE THE NEW CLASSES AND SETTINGS?

5e was full of new settings:

• Exandria/The Wildemount is new
• Theros is new to D&D
• Strixhaven is new to D&D
• Ravnica is new to D&D
• The Feywild and the Shadowfell were both new in 4e and 5e has seriously expanded them
• Spelljammer hadn't been seen in decades

That's where your settings were. The classes? Those make things harder for newbies by drowning them in crunch.

 

[Micah Sweet]

No? Most people only have 4

5e was full of new settings:

• Exandria/The Wildemount is new
• Theros is new to D&D
• Strixhaven is new to D&D
• Ravnica is new to D&D
• The Feywild and the Shadowfell were both new in 4e and 5e has seriously expanded them
• Spelljammer hadn't been seen in decades

That's where your settings were. The classes? Those make things harder for newbies by drowning them in crunch.

Sounds like an excuse not to do design work to me.

 

[Scribe]

5e was designed, accidentally or purposely, to support and incentivize traditional stereotypical PCs with skill choice (and almost every other choice).

1. Acolyte Cleric
2. Criminal Rogue
3. Soldier Fighter
4. Sage Wizard

etc etc

If you dont think this is part of 5e's success, I dont know what to tell you.

People like tropes.

 

[Minigiant]

No? Most people only have 4. But there seems to be at least a little mitigation in OneD&D by giving fighters the ability to use second wind for skills.

A lot have 5.

The fact that there are mitigating it now, something I warned of in my 2013 playtest survey, is proof we acknowledged that they screwed up.

5e was full of new settings:

• Exandria/The Wildemount is new
• Theros is new to D&D
• Strixhaven is new to D&D
• Ravnica is new to D&D
• The Feywild and the Shadowfell were both new in 4e and 5e has seriously expanded them
• Spelljammer hadn't been seen in decades

Only Exandria is new and designed for how D&D works.
The MTG settings have the issues that come with conversion.
Spelljammer isn't new. Nor are the Feywild and shadowfell.

Like @Micah Sweet states, I'm buying more 3rd Party than official now.

If you dont think this is part of 5e's success, I dont know what to tell you.

People like tropes.

People get bored of the same tropes over and over eventually.