D&D (2024) The Lackluster Ranger

[UngeheuerLich]

That's just giving in to the high damage munchins.

In parts yes.

Removing concentration just lets power gamers cast Summon Fey, CWB, Conjure Animals, or one of the other minor buffs.

Yes to some extent.

Few actually want to use control, heal, or utility spells. Because if you do, the 2024 ranger does this well by letting you recast HM easy.

I suggested elswhere, I personally would give concentrationless HM with the capstone. If this depends on HM, I think HM should be guaranteed at that point.

Most complainers just want to deal moor damage with a high Dex(Stealth) bonus

Yes. I know. Indo however understand tge feeling of abilities working against each ither instead of synergizing.

 

[Minigiant]

Yes. I know. Indo however understand tge feeling of abilities working against each ither instead of synergizing

The issue is more that Rangers are casting spells made for Druids nor Rangers because WOTC only designs magic for full casters.

HM should keep concentration.

Rangers should get unique offensive, defensive, recovery, and utility spells that don't have concentration but set durations.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

The issue is more that Rangers are casting spells made for Druids nor Rangers because WOTC only designs magic for full casters.

HM should keep concentration.

Rangers should get unique offensive, defensive, recovery, and utility spells that don't have concentration but set durations.

Maybe.

I would have been ok with that.

Swift quiver without concentration would have been a good start.

 

[Charlaquin]

Few actually want to use control, heal, or utility spells. Because if you do, the 2024 ranger does this well by letting you recast HM easy.

If few want to play a ranger that way, then building the Ranger class around that style of play is clearly not a good strategy

 

[Scribe]

A Fey Wanderer optimized for Control is amazing at control from level 7-16, amazing as a face from level 3+ and it is ok at damage and exploration at all levels, but you need to go all in with Wisdom and feats to do it. The best feats for this are things that cause charmed and frightened, specifically Magic Initiate as your Origin for Cause Fear and Friends and Shadow
Touched at level 4 for Wrathful Smite. Fey Touched for Dissonant Whispers is also a good add but probably not worth delaying Wisdom 20.

For race if you have 2014 species you want an Eladarin or Leonin or if you have both 2014 feats and species a Dragonborn (Dragonfear Feat). If you are stuck with 2024 species I think you want a celestial.

IMO if done this way it can be one of the strongest "Martial Classes" and probably the strongest martial class if you are looking across all 3 pillars, but it is not one of the strongest characters when it comes to martial combat.

I think this is the better approach to what Wizards appears to have designed the Ranger to be.

If the desire exists for an Archer, instead of what Wizards again, appears, to be designing for, then they should have included a subclass for this, like the Berzerker for Barbarians.

Probably just an ongoing disconnect between Wizards and the playerbase.

Spell-less Ranger and all that.

 

[ECMO3]

Removing concentration just lets power gamers cast Summon Fey, CWB, Conjure Animals, or one of the other minor buffs.

The beauty of Fey Wanderer is you don't need to concentrate on Summon Fey at level 11+ ..... which could mean Fey+Hunter's Mark, but even better it can mean mulitple Fey

 

[Minigiant]

If few want to play a ranger that way, then building the Ranger class around that style of play is clearly not a good strategy

The issue any the plurality want to play a different class with a new name.

Essentially 2 fighter classes. One named Fighter. One named Ranger.

That's not a sane nor profitable design strategy.

 

[Charlaquin]

The issue any the plurality want to play a different class with a new name.

Essentially 2 fighter classes. One named Fighter. One named Ranger.

That's not a sane nor profitable design strategy.

Even accepting for the sake of argument that a spell-light or spell-less ranger would just be another fighter (though for the record I disagree strongly on that point), if it’s what most players want, give it to them.

 

[Minigiant]

Maybe.

I would have been ok with that.

Swift quiver without concentration would have been a good start.

The beauty of Fey Wanderer is you don't need to concentrate on Summon Fey at level 11+ ..... which could mean Fey+Hunter's Mark, but even better it can mean mulitple Fey

There should be a ranger subclass that lets you cast Swift Quiver without concentration at an additional cost. Maybe one of your Favored Enemy charges.

Ranger subclasses that boost ranger or rangery theme spells at a cost should have been explored more.

 

[Minigiant]

Even accepting for the sake of argument that a spell-light or spell-less ranger would just be another fighter (though for the record I disagree strongly on that point), if it’s what most players want, give it to them.

Because they won't be happy.

If you let Fighter and Ranger overlap that much, one of the two would be inferior and would be targeted for wishes for buffs.

See the other Alt+Other class classes.