D&D Movie/TV D&D: Honor Among Thieves Open Discussion [Full Spoilers]

[LuisCarlos17f]

Maybe they could use that idea but with a different group, and something style "Urban Arcana". The group returns to home, but they aren't alone, they are people and creatures from the fantasy realm at home also. It would be isekai and reverse isekai. And the heroes have to keep the balance between both worlds. And there are also "planar refugess" from Gamma World, with advanced tech, but also new challenges... and misteries to be uncovered.

 

[MNblockhead]

I know the attunement thing with “Elminster” was all about Simon overcoming his self-doubt, but wouldn’t it have been interesting if he’d had to face Mordenkainen since it’s Mordenkainen’s helmet?

Who would you like to see play the bald, goateed archmage?

Anton Lavey, if he was still alive. Besides his look being a great fit, it would be subtle easter egg for the satanic panic of the 1980s.

 

[Dioltach]

Was it in fact Mordenkainen's helmet? The only reference to Big M that I recall was the spell guarding the treasury.

Or is the assumption that "Helmet of Disjunction" means "Mordenkainen's Disjunction"?

 

[pantsorama]

It’s a spell about nothing!!!!

Mordenkeindian: "So why are people casting it?"
Simon: "Because I attuned to the item"
Mordenkeindian: "Not yet, you havent"

 

[Undrave]

I know the attunement thing with “Elminster” was all about Simon overcoming his self-doubt, but wouldn’t it have been interesting if he’d had to face Mordenkainen since it’s Mordenkainen’s helmet?

Who would you like to see play the bald, goateed archmage?

Was it in fact Mordenkainen's helmet? The only reference to Big M that I recall was the spell guarding the treasury.

Or is the assumption that "Helmet of Disjunction" means "Mordenkainen's Disjunction"?

I'm pretty sure it was never linked to Mordenkainen.

 

[Mirrorrorrim]

I'm pretty sure it was never linked to Mordenkainen.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/magic-items/6504936-helm-of-disjunction

 

[Weiley31]

Anyone else surprised that Forge didn't get a repdemption arc?

And the movie does INDEED give you a fake out in that regard: the one line when he's talking to Bug, after seeing Ed and Holga again after so many years, where he mentions that he thinks there might be "some" good in himself. Which DID had me thinking that later on, Forge would somehow follow up on that. And then the movie shows that no, Forge IS an absolute d-edited for concerns for the well-being of the children as per ToS guidelines. The Committe thanks you, dear reader, for reading up to this point.

 

[Weiley31]

Edgin in the movie was more like a Rogue in all honesty. A Rogue with the Entertainer/Spy background with a proficiency in Performance. And A LOT of his attacks with the Lute were ones that SUDDENLY came outta nowhere when an opponent was either occupied with somebody else or when everybody ganged up on the Red Wizard chick.

Hmmmmm, verrrry SNEAKY those Lute hits were.

 

[Weiley31]

Yeah he was great, put me in mind of a big cat, especially when he was rolling

Themberchaud is literally the last one.

 

[Undrave]

Edgin in the movie was more like a Rogue in all honesty. A Rogue with the Entertainer/Spy background with a proficiency in Performance. And A LOT of his attacks with the Lute were ones that SUDDENLY came outta nowhere when an opponent was either occupied with somebody else or when everybody ganging up on the Red Wizard chick.

Hmmmmm, verrrry SNEAKY those Lute hits were.

Also, that lute CAN'T be a normal lute.

 

[Weiley31]

I got the impression Holga (Michelle Rodriguez) has a fetish for halflings.

It's not a fetish. She just has a type.

 

[Weiley31]

Also, that lute CAN'T be a normal lute.

Well, his stat block DOES STATE it's a Reinforced Lute.

 

[OB1]

And the movie does INDEED give you a fake out in that regard: the one line when he's talking to Bug, after seeing Ed and Holga again after so many years, where he mentions that he thinks there might be "some" good in himself. Which DID had me thinking that later on, Forge would somehow follow up on that. And then the movie shows that no, Forge IS an absolute d-edited for concerns for the well-being of the children as per ToS guidelines. The Committe thanks you, dear reader, for reading up to this point.

This makes me think of an idea for the sequel. Holga and Edgen are captured by the Red Wizards, Doric, Bug and Simon go to rescue them, but need the help of Forge for the plan. They break him out of prison, he goes with them, then betrays them AGAIN once they get to Thay.

 

[Weiley31]

This makes me think of an idea for the sequel. Holga and Edgen are captured by the Red Wizards, Doric, Bug and Simon go to rescue them, but need the help of Forge for the plan. They break him out of prison, he goes with them, then betrays them AGAIN once they get to Thay.

Here's hoping poor Jarnathan calls out of work for the day when Forge gets ANOTHER parole board meeting.

 

[Stalker0]

That seems like the author reaching around the sides to justify the film makers going, "what's a cool, iconic D&D monster to turn into? I know, an owlbear!"

Creating a crazy backstory to justify a player doing something outside the rules…outrageous!

 

[Beleriphon]

ENot sure how I forgot to mention Thumberchaud! The battle to escape him was both epic and hilarious. I can't wait to see how non D&D audiences react to him, so wonderfully off expectation for what a Dragon is. I weirdly got Baby Yoda vibes from him.

I think Themberchaud will be the breakout meme of the movie. He's both terrifying and hilarious. My wife isn't a super sci-fi/fantasy fan and she enjoyed pudgy dragon the most of everything in the movie.

Has anyone mentioned that for something that was stated as "not setting up a sequel" it absolutely set up a sequel? They established Szass Tam as a Palpatine-level Big Bad, and left it open.

They do, but Szass is and always has been one of the most powerful and dangerous villains in The Realms. Unless somebody (not Edgin and crew, not even with Xenk) can completely destroy him he's functionally unstoppable over the long term. Not even the heavy hitters like the Seven Sisters and Elminster have managed to completely stop Szass Tam. The character like an archmage and a lich, and completely controls Thay. In 4E he was a Level 30 Artillery monster, in 5E he'd probably work out to be something like a CR28 to CR30 monster with a host of legendary actions.

Edit: On "Black Elminster" if I'm remembering right, Szass Tam did the take over Thay bit in the mid-1370s DR. The movie takes place in in the mid to late 1490s based on the events and apparent ages of characters like Lord Nevember. Elminster was born in 212 DR, so as of the movie he's nearly 1300 years old. Simon's great-great-great-grandfather could be Elminster's great-great-great-great-great-great-grandson. For some context, my greatx3 grandfather was born 1840s. Elminster would have been born when Vikings were still invading Anglo-Saxon England. And it isn't like the Elminster was chaste by any means, so there's lots and lots of time for Elminster to have lots and lots of descendants who don't share much with him in look department.

 

[Parmandur]

I think Themberchaud will be the breakout meme of the movie. He's both terrifying and hilarious. My wife isn't a super sci-fi/fantasy fan and she enjoyed pudgy dragon the most of everything in the movie.

They do, but Szass is and always has been one of the most powerful and dangerous villains in The Realms. Unless somebody (not Edgin and crew, not even with Xenk) can completely destroy him he's functionally unstoppable over the long term. Not even the heavy hitters like the Seven Sisters and Elminster have managed to completely stop Szass Tam. The character like an archmage and a lich, and completely controls Thay. In 4E he was a Level 30 Artillery monster, in 5E he'd probably work out to be something like a CR28 to CR30 monster with a host of legendary actions.

Edit: On "Black Elminster" if I'm remembering right, Szass Tam did the take over Thay bit in the mid-1370s DR. The movie takes place in in the mid to late 1490s based on the events and apparent ages of characters like Lord Nevember. Elminster was born in 212 DR, so as of the movie he's nearly 1300 years old. Simon's great-great-great-grandfather could be Elminster's great-great-great-great-great-great-grandson. For some context, my greatx3 grandfather was born 1840s. Elminster would have been born when Vikings were still invading Anglo-Saxon England. And it isn't like the Elminster was chaste by any means, so there's lots and lots of time for Elminster to have lots and lots of descendants who don't share much with him in look department.

Fair point.

 

[Krachek]

I enjoy the movie very much.
It twist the rules enough to make a good show.

 

[Ogre Mage]

I saw the film a second time this weekend with a friend who has no experience with D&D but has taken one or two film classes. She enjoyed it and had no trouble following the story. She was struck by how high-magic the world was and the quality of the special effects. Doric was her favorite character as she had such a visually cool power set. She wondered what it would be like to wildshape. Her favorite monster was "the panther with tentacles." I explained what a displacer beast was. As an African-American, she appreciated how representative the casting was. Her favorite story work was how Edgin realized Holga was effectively Kira's mother and resurrecting her was the best thing for his daughter, even though he loved his late wife.

 

[cbwjm]

I saw the film a second time this weekend with a friend who has no experience with D&D but has taken one or two film classes. She enjoyed it and had no trouble following the story. She was struck by how high-magic the world was and the quality of the special effects. Doric was her favorite character as she had such a visually cool power set. She wondered what it would be like to wildshape. Her favorite monster was "the panther with tentacles." I explained what a displacer beast was. As an African-American, she appreciated how representative the casting was. Her favorite story work was how Edgin realized Holga was effectively Kira's mother and resurrecting her was the best thing for his daughter, even though he loved his late wife.

That was a great moment at the end. I mean, as soon as you found out she was stabbed you knew immediately they were going to res her, but still a great moment.