D&D Movie/TV D&D: Honor Among Thieves Open Discussion [Full Spoilers]

[Undrave]

That was a great moment at the end. I mean, as soon as you found out she was stabbed you knew immediately they were going to res her, but still a great moment.

I'm happy they didn't overtly stretched that moment too much. It felt just long enough to get the impact without feeling insulting to the audience. And they didn't need to spell it out.

 

[Imaculata]

They already foreshadowed it with the flashback to the dragonfly. So I saw it coming, and yet I was very happy they did exactly that. Because then I realized the movie had already been setting up this event right from the start. We see Holga and Kira be very close constantly, so their family bond was already there from the beginning. The movie earned that moment.

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

I imagine Forger in a spin-off set in Ravenloft. It would be a dark comedy. He is abducted by the dark powers and sent to a special quest with a group of criminals. These are killed by the dark lord, and in the end Forger betrays the last suvivors... and he is the "winner" but he is cursed by the dark powers with an ironic punishment. The true "final girl" is one of the first victims in the beggining, thanks a special magic tatoo, but the reincarnation spell doesn't work totally well, and now she is a female blue goblin.

 

[Maxperson]

It's Elminster.

I mean, yes, it's a projection of Simon's lack of confidence holding him back . . . but Simon's psyche manifesting itself as Elminster.

The bolded means that it can't be Elminster. He never knew Elminster at all, let alone well enough to mimic him, so his psyche is incapable of reproducing Elminster. Instead it's Simon in an Elminster suit. It's basically a painting of Elminster and so is not actually Elminster.

Heck, it might not even be Simon in an Elminster suit. We know that Simon is descended from Elminster and that the guy in his visions is an Aumar that is his great great grandfather, but we don't know that Elminster is his great great grandfather. Elminster could be several more greats removed.

The simplest explanation, though, is that it's Simon in an Elminster suit and not Elminster at all. So that's what I'm inclined to believe.

 

[Maxperson]

They didn't make this super-clear, but it was because it couldn't get it to ignite. It was clicking like kitchen stove and you could see the sparks but the breath wasn't burning.

It was still trying to roll a 5 or 6 in order to get the breath weapon going again.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Elminster is over 1200 years old his main family line would be many many greats down from him.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

It was still trying to roll a 5 or 6 in order to get the breath weapon going again.

I think he wanted to eat them raw, and was not interested in char. He was just breathing into the room and filling it with gas.

The characters did not know they were close to the surface but knew they were under water of some kind so took the risk of opening the floodgates and swimming.

 

[Maxperson]

I know the attunement thing with “Elminster” was all about Simon overcoming his self-doubt, but wouldn’t it have been interesting if he’d had to face Mordenkainen since it’s Mordenkainen’s helmet?

Who would you like to see play the bald, goateed archmage?

 

[Maxperson]

The directors have said it's not Elminster, but they are interested in including him or one of his daughters in future films.

I think I'd rather see the Simbul.

 

[Maxperson]

I think he wanted to eat them raw, and was not interested in char. He was just breathing into the room and filling it with gas.

The characters did not know they were close to the surface but knew they were under water of some kind so took the risk of opening the floodgates and swimming.

I'm pretty sure that they knew. They made a point of commenting on how it was salt water just before coming up with that plan.

 

[Maxperson]

Elminster is over 1200 years old his main family line would be many many greats down from him.

He's probably still capable of having children, so he could easily have currently living toddlers, grand children, great great grand children and on down list.

 

[Arakhor]

That was a great moment at the end. I mean, as soon as you found out she was stabbed you knew immediately they were going to res her, but still a great moment.

Well, as soon as they referenced Chekhov's Resurrection Token at the start of the film, I knew that someone was going to be resurrected, and it was unlikely to be his wife.

 

[Seramus]

I think I'd rather see the Simbul.

She's dead. Double dead. Would be pretty fun though.

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

There is a novel with the title "Elminster's daughter" and her mother was... (spoiler). Let's say Fizban denies their existence.

I dare to say in the future will become a cult movie like the Bride Princess.

I thought the animatronic puppets were too "old-fashioned", but now I think they add a 80's vibe.

A lot of things could happen if after the event with Vecna the D&D is rebooted...again.

 

[Maxperson]

She's dead. Double dead. Would be pretty fun though.

Yeah, but...............................

There's no such thing as canon!!

Simbul! Woo! Woo! Simbul! Woo! Woo!

 

[Krachek]

Favorite scene is Dorric escape the Castel using multiple wild shape.

Some thoughts on play style vs The movie.

An amusing thing is that nobody care for rest, and spend “ressources” freely. the movie surely don’t show gritty realism and ressource management DnD.

The general tone is “light heart & easy going“. Even if the story goes the plan A then B, C, D, Z, the characters go to one solution to the next. Nobody care for consequence.

Except in the last fight, combat encounters are run often by a single character. Overall tone for fights is improvisation and do your best rather than careful preparation.

The movie show a good interpretation of hit points. Suddenly Olga is bring to zero and dying. First big wound of the movie.

I definitively love the displacer beast tweak. A kind of distant mirror image.
I will remember this for the next time I use them.

the movie also use ”an unexpected secret weapon”, the anti magic shackle used on Sofina and the end. Great move, and don’t bother to explain why nobody think of them before, or the consequence of such items in the world. Again the tone is solve a problem now and don’t care for consequence.

 

[Undrave]

Ya know... both Forge and Sofina would have succeeded in their plans if Forge hadn't been lying to Kira and wanted to keep her and the tablet

Well, as soon as they referenced Chekhov's Resurrection Token at the start of the film, I knew that someone was going to be resurrected, and it was unlikely to be his wife.

That, or he would have to throw away the tablet for one reason or another.

the movie also use ”an unexpected secret weapon”, the anti magic shackle used on Sofina and the end. Great move, and don’t bother to explain why nobody think of them before, or the consequence of such items in the world. Again the tone is solve a problem now and don’t care for consequence.

Yet everything in there was established well beforehand and anti-magic shackles would make sense in a world where magic is common enough!

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I think Themberchaud will be the breakout meme of the movie. He's both terrifying and hilarious. My wife isn't a super sci-fi/fantasy fan and she enjoyed pudgy dragon the most of everything in the movie.

Yeah, I see people referencing him all the time already.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I saw someone compare the tweaks made to how the rules work in DADHAT to how realistic westerns are. Would it be better to show realistic resource management to show gunslingers stopping to reload constantly? Maybe, if it's got dramatic value, but all of the time? Probably not.

So the filmmakers made similar choices here (and in Legends of Vox Machina).

 

[Krachek]

Yet everything in there was established well beforehand and anti-magic shackles would make sense in a world where magic is common enough!

Indeed, the movie established the plan very well, and I even found the anti magic shackle item defined in the book of exalted deeds in 3.5.
what makes me laughing is thinking that we should have use it against the mighty casters much more and sooner in 5ed!