(OOC) Scourge of Daggerford (Full)

[FitzTheRuke]

I meant specifically what he does this round. No one is in a position to attack yet. Just stay hidden?

 

[Fradak]

Yep

Edit: If it's not to late , can he take some altitude to check the perimeter and be not in sight because he is at 50 ft above the hob?

 

[KahlessNestor]

The half-speed movement during stealth is a relic of older editions (3e/PF) and not in 5e. With Angis, I double moved and rolled Stealth, since I am unseen (stealth will determine if I am unheard, vs passive perception). There is no penalty to it unless the DM chooses, but then he's house ruling.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

But you need to spend an action to hide do you not? That isn't house ruling.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

It's weird. I've played 5e twice a week since playtest (which is probably where I got the rule from, seeing as I have never played PF and I haven't played 3.x in years and years) but there is still some rules that when I look 'em up they don't work quite how I imagine them to. I don't houserule on purpose (unless you count the Init experiment!)

 

[KahlessNestor]

But you need to spend an action to hide do you not? That isn't house ruling.

Meh. It's in one of those sticky grey sres, of which there are many in the stealth/hide rules in 5e. The bugbear can have no way of knowing we are there. We are out of sight, which is what is needed for the Hide action. And pretty sure a 15 beats his passive perception. DM call. If you want, I will pull him back 25 feet and do the Hide action.

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[FitzTheRuke]

You definitely qualify for the hide action. I guess the question is: can you use dex (stealth) checks in combat for "free" (no action) or do you have to use the Hide action. The rules don't seem to say either way, so I would assume, if I had to, that the intention is that if you want to hide, you gotta Hide. (My reasoning being that those are the rules that DO exist for hiding, as opposed to the other way of doing it, which aren't anywhere.) If you follow me.

It's clunkier in the "feel" of it - in that rather than the "feeling" that you are sneaking, you feel like you're walking up, and then stopping and "hiding". So it's clunky, but it works out (distance-to-time-wise) the same as the half-speed stealth (though that "feels" more like sneaking). But you're not able to "dash" sneakily, unless you're a rogue. Which I can get behind.

At any rate, you should all be able to get closer without being seen. I probably should have just started the whole thing a bit closer, but I didn't think about the idea of everyone taking the time to creep up on him. I should have, but I didn't.

 

[KahlessNestor]

I get your reasoning, and I support it. I forgot we were technically in combat, to be honest LOL So yeah, move Angis back 25 feet and he will take the Hide action. He's creeping along the wall of the building.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

[MENTION=23484]Kobold Stew[/MENTION] - Seeing as we spent so long discussing it, I think I'm going to have to keep my rulings consistent for everyone. So you have three options: Because Tommi's a rogue, he can dash over to the spot you chose and hide with his bonus action; he can cast his magic stones (far enough away, I'll say, so that the verbal component isn't heard), walk, and hide with his action (making him not quite as far); OR we can go with exactly what you posted, but that bugbear is going to hear him. (Everyone else will still be hidden, but the Bugbear won't lose his next turn to surprise).

If you take either of the first two options, you can make a stealth check, and you'll almost certainly make the DC.

As soon as you decide, I can finish the round.

 

[Kobold Stew]

Tommi tries to be stealthy, then, in the hopes of letting everyone have surprise next round.

Stealth: [roll0]