Ceramic Dm (final judgement posted, New Champion announced!)

orchid blossom

Explorer
At risk of sucking up before my judgement is in....

I appreciate the detailed feedback we've been getting from all three judges. I've been in classes where all you heard was, "Good job," and after a few sessions you're begging for someone to rip your story apart. You can't get any better if you never hear where the problems are. I am no way a pro, nor do I intend to be, (My writing is pretty much confined to emails these days) but you never know when you'll need those skills again.
 

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Berandor

lunatic
Sorry, I didn't think about that part of my comment when I copy/pasted it. I think the issue has more or less been put to rest, so I would have excised it. Anyway,

barsoomcore said:
There are no rules. Anyone who says there are (especially me) is lying. I suspect this has to do with my comments on Macbeth's story being a backwards one. Note what I actually said, please:
As I said, this was written very shortly after the judgement, so the little controversy was still around. You and Macbeth cleared it up shortly thereafter, though.

Make sure you're attempting to do the same if you decide to try a backwards story, is all I'm saying. Telling bad stories backwards in the incorrect belief that this makes it more interesting is a common mistake of inexperienced writers. I can't tell you how many stories of that nature I have read.
Yeah, you're right. It's the same with movies: I can think of a dozen bad mystery films for every "Usual Suspects" or "Memento".

I'm also sorry if anyone thinks I'm being excessively harsh in my judgements. I'm trying very very hard to give people who I know have worked their hearts out doing something I know is really difficult some useful feedback on their writing. I work on the assumption that if you submit your story, you already have the desire to write. You don't need me to provide cheerleading -- my best value to you is my honest, undiluted opinion. The cheerleading you'll have to look elsewhere for.

People who tell what you've done wrong, what you did that made them NOT like your story -- those are the people that are trying to help you.

I'm not saying it's a disaster if you like a little support every now and then. But if you want to write, get writing, find some people who will tell you what's wrong with your writing, and listen to them, and get better.
Just for the record: I absolutely agree, and to be honest I reall appreciate your detailed criticisms. It's been very interesting to read even judgements for other entries because of your professional approach.

And by "your", I mean all three judges. As mythago said earlier, we're lucky she isn't Maldur :) (Nothing against Maldur, btw, just that her (I believe) comments were shorter than yours)

If there's one thing about the judgement I think questionable, it's starting out too harsh. After all, this is a role-playing board, not an authors' forum, and I am somewhat anxious that interested users might be put off from entering the contest because they are, in fact, not trying to be published, but just want to write a little story for fun and see how it turns out. That could come off like posting in a new Story Hour with harsh criticism against the author's style.

If possible, I think the judgements should start off fairly lenient before getting tougher every round, or at least consider who you're judging. It's one thing to think "That story's got no structure and no plot!", and it's another thing to write that to somebody who just put down a few words for the first time.

I agree that if you want to "make it" as an author, you should be prepared for harsh criticism, perhaps even relish it, and if you enter such a competition, you must be ready to face criticism, but we should try to remain ENWorld and not turn into "American Writer's Idol: Worst Contenders Reel".

I really appreciate how serious the judges take their job, and I enjoy their different perspectives on a story. Carry on.
 

alsih2o

First Post
Carpe David vs Berandor

Alsih2o-

Berandor brings the funny. And the tragic. Great combo.

This blended style of fiction and reality is one of my favorites (see previous Frank Miller comments) when handled well, and this is pretty darned well. The pic of the old super is used as what it is, no real revelation or invention on Berandors part, but by the time I got to it I was cheering for this sorry old man. I like the picture use of a hat as the villain and Twins/nurse photo was handled admirably.

I really was waiting for Woodwhiskers to pop up at the end, he was referenced several times and the picture was made prominent and yet he doesn’t show, I can’t decide if that added tension or was a letdown.

There are some seriously great lines here- “I'm cunning, damn it!" and "No Clark!" in big, red letters. It felt good.” And especially “Perhaps it would be best if he simply closed his eyes and waited for death to come.

He closed his eyes, and waited. After a few moments, Hans opened his eyes again. While he waited, he might as well watch TV.”

AND he bites his own tongue off. Wow.

If I didn’t know better I would accuse Berandor of writing TO me, with Bruce Wayne, the odd humor and heroes sensibilities. I really enjoyed this.

Carpe David brings us another loser that is easy to love. Picture use is there, and handled competently but it never really shines.

I would have liked to have heard…more. Keiko earlier, more background, higher conflict with the Hall members.

The sign language is a nice touch and they show our heroes willingness to go that extra mile. I want more.

Maybe an after-the–missile reaction or a last word form keiko.

Judgement- Carpe David has done himself proud this competition, but he has been outdone in this round as far as I can see it. I hope he comes back to try again. I judge for Berandor.

Barsoomcore-

Berandor "For Lack of a Better Term"

You made me laugh. Quite a few times, actually. Well done. The idea of
the "senior super citizens" is a good one, and you pull a lot of pathos
out of this absurd situation.

Of course, as soon as I know this is a Bruce Wayne Super Senior
Citizens Home, I'm going to start looking for the hero jokes, and you
lay those nice and thick.

The plot develops well, with "Emmy" discovering the problem, trying to
rouse the troops, swallowing his pride and then heroically going forth
to do what he knows he must. Good stuff, all of this.

And finally, a nice cynical twist at the end to let us know that our
hero's ire and crankiness didn't quite completely transform into
selfless sacrifice -- which is good, cause we liked him the way he was.

Your best story of the tournament, Berandor. Very well done indeed.

Okay, so now BC SMASH! :D

Like most Ceramic DM entries, this one suffers from a prolonged set-up.
The opening scene, introducing the concept, Laura and the Ghostly
Twins, is too long. As is the second scene, taking us from the story of
Tentacular to her reappearance.

Hans' willingness to go to Clark to ask his help is the moment where
this story really takes off. This is where we see this character, who
so far we've kind of liked, in a vague sort of way, make a real
sacrifice for what he knows is right. He swallows his pride to save the
world, and in doing so he earns our respect and our sympathy.

'"To the Fashion Show," he said. To the rescue, he thought.' -- it's a
good line, but it would have been better if we had heard Hans use the
"To the rescue" line earlier. This moment is Hans taking back his old
identity, rejecting the realities of his age for the need he knows the
world faces, and I think you ought to be milking it a little more
powerfully. He should be thinking something to himself that means
something to him. Something that is specifically HIS, not just a
generic "I'm a hero" line.

And then I have one teensy little problem with the whole
iron-in-blood-into-mouth method of dispatching the bad guy. If
Tentacular's big weakness is iron into mouth, and human blood contains
sufficient iron to take advantage of that weakness, wasn't
Tentacle-Head about to get its writhy self into big trouble just by
taking a bite of ol' Hans?

Just seemed a little weird to me. I don't mind the silly weakness
(indeed, I approve), but a silly weakness ought to be consistent,
otherwise it's just silly.

And this, for all its trappings of silliness, is by no means a silly
story. It's not silly to Hans, and it's not silly to me.

Okay, picture use: The Emerald Fox, striding to the rescue: excellent.
The Ghostly Twins pursuing the nurse: excellent. Tentacular the Hat:
excellent. Woodwhiskers: meh, kind of throwaway, but given that we've
got shots of everyone else in the old crew (isn't that the Invisible
Stalker, there in the background (ha ha)), that's not a big deal. The
Hand Memorial: excellent. Generally, very fine job on the pictures.

Very well done indeed. Thank you.


carpedavid "The Life and Death of Captain Chrysanthemum"

There's a lovely, quiet tone to this piece that gives it a stately sort
of feel. The idea of a caped crusader who just never graduates from
stopping purse snatchers and pickpockets is plenty humourous, and gives
you a nice point to launch your story from.

Unfortunately, the story never quite gets off the ground. This piece
stays a collection of vignettes that just don't combine into a single
story. Is this about John recovering his youthful strength and vigor?
Winning the love of the sweet Keiko? Proving to the world that he's as
good as any other hero? At the end, I don't know.

The opening of your story sets the expectations of the reader. This is
where I assume you are putting forth your promises as to what you're
going to tell me. Your opening scene ends with John considering getting
a new costume. By putting that line there, you are setting me up to
expect some sort of return on it. It becomes part of my frame of
reference as I read the story.

Now, there's nothing wrong with setting up a reader with false
expectations (all the better to eat you with, my dear), but by the time
I get to the end of the story, there's never been another mention of
his costume, so why was it brought up here?

Likewise the state of his physical fitness. It never figures in the
story, so why is such a point made of it here?

This is really the basic problem of the story. The writing is fine --
you've got a good ear and you can string sentences along without any
trouble. It's easy to read and very little jumps up and says "Smack me
with your style guide!" But the bits never hook up to form a coherent
story.

You don't have time, in such a short space, to introduce a character
halfway through and then ask us to accept that saving her is of central
importance to our hero. A short story should be about a single change
in a person -- about witnessing or describing one change that happens
to them (or does not happen to them). If this story is about how John's
unrequited love for Keiko (and just why is it unrequited? She sure
seems to like him just fine) gives him the strength to save the world,
then all the stuff in here that's NOT about that should be cut.

Not saying it should be about that, just saying. If. You know.

What I'm left with here is a hero whose power seems useless, a threat
(that isn't revealed until too far along in the story), and then I just
read really to find out how our hero is going to be able to use his
power to save the day. And I find out, and the story's over, and I
feel... unfulfilled. I don't really get the sense that anything
significant has changed inside of John. Other than death, of course.
But what is the meaning of that death? I am left to wonder.

I know I'm not being super-precise here, but I hope this is helpful.

The picture use is good, but since so many segments of the story seem
disjointed, the pictures likewise seem unconnected to the main thrust
of the story.

Thanks.


Decision: Berandor

Mythago-


Hm, both stories with superheroes past their negligble prime, both
with squiggly head-riding aliens that need to be stopped, both forced
to go it alone in the face of arrogant skepticism and dying in the
process of stopping the Bad Things...

FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM (Berandor)

Shades of Bubba Ho-Tep!

No, really, it was interesting to have the old third-rate hero at a
rest home, and it was a nice touch to have him trying to collect his
old colleagues. I really didn't get why Superman would be in that kind
of rest home with the third-tiers, unfortunately; putting them in such
proximity seemed really contrived. Nice use of the weird Japanese
picture (man, that one was ugly) and the tree, although I'd have like
to have seen as much use of the latter as you did with the former.
Woodwhiskers is kind of a walk-on.

Hans getting backstage stretched credibility. The President's around
and he just breezes past the security guards? The iron-in-blood trick
also struck me as a little strained.

I liked the little touches of humor--Hans writing "No Clark!," the
President Clinton joke, the absurdity of Hans's story when he tells
Clark (even though we know it's all true).

THE LIFE AND DEATH OF JOHN CHRYSANTHEMUM, SUPERHERO (carpedavid)

There are some really wonderful scenes wrapped around the pictures in
this story. But they seem more like episodes in John's life than
scenes from a coherent tale. Why the flashback to his Secret Origin?
Who are the cats following Keiko around? Both of these scenes are
really well-written, but they don't tie into the storyline much at
all. I also found John's wandering away when the heroes tell him to
get lost, followed by his sudden leap into action after letting things
slide until they were at the Utter Doom point. (He wasn't worried
about Keiko before?)

I very much liked the idea of a small-time superhero taking care of
"his park". I would have liked to see his story drive the pictures
rather than the other way around.

Judgment this round by a hair to BERANDOR.


Decision: Berandor, 3-0. Welcome to the finals. :)
 

Berandor

lunatic
Wow.

You know how I feel?

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Really surprised.

That's what I was talking about with critical distance to my own story. I really just hoped to get one vote before carpedavid puts away with me.

Wow.

Thanks to the judges for their comments (which I agree on), and thanks to carpedavid for his story, which I really liked.

Now, my goal is to be a judge next time... ;)
 



BSF

Explorer
Big Congratulations to Berandor! Good job.

My condolences to Carpe David.

It is shaping up to be an interesting contest this time around. :)
 


Piratecat

Sesquipedalian
Well, it's a very interesting shape. I'm loving the stories.

Right now I'm going head to head against Carpe David in the final round of Iron DM, where there have been some amazing adventures written; we get to see if he whallops me in that competition as handily as he did here! :)
 

Berandor

lunatic
From "over there":
carpedavid, your story was the reason I was afraid of doind the story I ended up doing. (bla bla about being afraid...)

But enough of me. Your story is great. For a moment, I thought you were losing it towards the end, because there was only so much text left, but the resolution was wonderful! (no exclamation marks). There were no picture links in it that I could see, but the picture use was fairly obvious, so I don't hink it'll be held against you.

The Captain's superpower is wonderful, btw. Nice touch.

herbamonster: nice use, because it seemed as if the creature had given our hero a stronger bond with nature - necessary for the ending. Otherwise, I would have rated it as throwaway, because the creature doesn't really fit there and is gone immediately afterwards.

ilithiidstylist: A very cool idea, having the tentacles come out of her head, and using it as sign language! I loved that one! Wiggle, wiggle. :)

nojokerequired: I'm kind of torn. On the one hand, it introduced a love angle into the story, and that part was written wonderfully. On the other hand, what were the cats? Why were they chasing Keiko? I felt a little left out of that part, because clearly Captain C. (don't expect me to spell him :)) doesn't think the situation to be strange at all.

talktothehand: Never forget. I liked the idea of Dr. Colossus' handprint smack dab in the middle of the Hall of Heroes. Cool idea!

greatestamericanwhatever: this pic is used at the beginning, obviously. I love how he first imagines his mirror image to be young and healthy. Very nice.

Of course, take that with a grain of salt, and remember that I am a little caught up in my own story here.
 
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